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Poster: Yo Ian Date: Jan 2, 2006 12:58am
Forum: etree Subject: A little artifact called the cassette

Something amazing happened to me as a result of all this hoopla over the yanking of soundboards for download off archive.org. I was wandering around the dark recesses of my computer room and found several shelves full of these little rectangular plastic things. After some research I discovered that these things are called cassettes and they were, at one time long ago, used for the storing of musical information. After a little more digging I found out that these things can transfer music to the human ear via a device called a cassette deck. I discovered one of these somewhere underneath my CD player and after using an industrial supply of endust and spiderweb removal I inserted the cassette into the deck, pressed play, and low and behold, 5/8/77 was playing throughout my house. Imagine my surprise! Not only that, I discovered that I had in excess of over four hundred of these little puppies. How did I get them? What did they mean? And then it hit me... I remembered how I had spent the better part of fifteen years collecting them in what is known as "tape trading". After using a pressure washer to remove the rest of the dust,(all the heads who take themselves too seriously are exclaiming how this will ruin a tape collection)I have now spent hour upon hour discovering tapes (that's the slang used for cassettes) that I had forgotten existed. I also discovered personal artwork of traders, custom fillers at the end of tapes and I was transported to a simpler time when aquiring the Dead's music required personal interaction, friendship, and paying for returned postage. Ah the old days.
I also realised that with a little jack I bought at a radio store I could make recordings of streaming sbds. The point of this little parable? ...adapt!

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Poster: gethier Date: Jan 2, 2006 3:49am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

I came across the article in Smart Compting that addresses transfering albums & tapes to a digital format. I have not gotten into doing any of it. However, the technology exists.

I am going to try to copy and paste the link. Hope it works.

http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles%2F2005%2Fs1612%2F30s12%2F30s12%2Easp&articleid=28842&guid=A32C488135C34FF09D091653C9328CC8&searchtype=0&WordList=&bJumpTo=True

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Poster: Yo Ian Date: Jan 2, 2006 4:11am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

The technology is a lot easier than you might think. Using a cheap music program and some inexpensive cables you can theoretically transfer all of your cassettes to CD. Of course the advantage of downloading is that it is usually much faster than real time and Cds can be produced more quickly. I've produced a few cassette to CD shows and the results are usually good. It really depends on the quality of the source tape.

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Poster: Rich L Date: Jan 2, 2006 6:29am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

Thanks for the thoughts and inspiration. I also have a lot of well recorded cassettes (in fact, rang in the New Year with 12/31/91 from a cassette), and at least part of my downloading was of shows I already had on tape because, just as you said, this was an easy way to get them on CD. I've also gone through the same stages of collecting/trading you describe - glad I did it, but not ready to go back to that, at least not at the level I was doing before the advent of CD and on line downloading.

So can you describe in a little more detail how you go about transferring from tape to CD? Can you indicate individual tracks without a sound break? (I have a CD recorder as part of my CD player, so I can easily tranfer tapes that way, and the few I've done sound fine, but I basically get one side of the tape as 1 track - though I guess that's no worsse than having it on cassette and having to fast frward/rewind to skip to a song you want). Pardon my ignorance, and thanks.

Rich L

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Poster: mtnrdr Date: Jan 2, 2006 6:41am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

it can be done, and others will post to the effects of excactly how....all i can say is PAIN IN THE....and T-H-O-U-S-A-N-D-S of hours. sorry im not as positive as others...;(

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Poster: Spotlight Date: Jan 3, 2006 8:25am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

All good information, above.....
I have had the 18" analog audio jack input to my stereo system for years, this allows me to record streaming audio directly to a standalone cd burner that is part of my stereo system..... I also output the composite video to and this audio to my VHS recorders as well.

But what I wanted to tell you guys is that there is software you can buy (find online) that record (save) any streaming audio/video content directly to your hard drive. Don't ask me to name any of them right now, but I have seen them many times while surfing. --spotlight.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jan 4, 2006 4:11pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

And you could set up a computer with a big hard drive full of music too. Playing the Archive streams through your big stereo is easy enough.

I've also use a Philips CD Recorder to copy tapes. CD-RWs are then loaded into the computer; where the tracks are split and cut with Nero wave editor...

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jan 2, 2006 6:42am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

It is actually very easy to transfer cassettes to digital, just get one of the many recording/editing programs out there. The one I use is Cakewalk Pyro, it also allows you to edit out those long spces between songs, and to record the SBD streams directly to your hard drive, bypassing having to record to cassette.

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Poster: Yo Ian Date: Jan 2, 2006 7:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

Yep. You said it much more succinctly than I could have. Cakewalk Pyro is what I use. It is VERY user friendly.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jan 2, 2006 5:47pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

Not much has really changed! Read the instructions with your Windows Media Player. It can stream and then download whatever you're listening to...

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Poster: Driftin N Dreamin Date: Jan 2, 2006 11:47pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

My only issue with using Windows Media is that I don't believe it allows you to edit your music and eliminate the spaces that are inherrent with streaming as the next song buffers. if there is a way to do this with WMplayer, please advise.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jan 3, 2006 4:59pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

And that is why I use NERO 5.5 or 6 to actually burn the tracks to a CD. Load the tracks into the Nero browser. Highlight the second to the last songs. Click "poperties" and change the 2 to a 0 and there are no gaps between the songs any more.

Burning them with the Microsoft product will also change everytrhing to their WMA format BTW...

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Poster: mtnrdr Date: Jan 2, 2006 3:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

i had the exact same reaction, however, the pain of rewriting my list in .xls to distribute, mail, play the game of do you have what i want...was so far out of my memory I am pained to think about going back there. we'll see....I too have 400+ tapes....

I'll hold out to see if the sbd's come back online at archive. the dead family (or whomever) will prpobably come to their senses...

And for diana emploring us to end these postings...give the world a break friend. this was a deep blow to a lot of people and surely it was to you all too. all the effort managing those shows...and the pain of having them taken down. its a lot to handle in the ipod buck a song and 12.99 dead downloads. i traded tapes for free for years....the downloads should be free too.

-josh

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Poster: Yo Ian Date: Jan 2, 2006 4:31am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: A little artifact called the cassette

I guess my point is you don't neccessarily have to go back to that. I once posted an add in relix and had to keep up with too many responses and trades for one person and it was a headache. Don't want to go back to that either, although I don't regret it for a second. Now using a cable with RCA jacks on one end and an eighth inch jack on the other you can make your own tapes using the streaming audio. I know this is kind of like handing a Playboy to a guy who just broke up with Gwyneth Paltrow, but for now its better than nothing. The same thing can be done in reverse with a cheap music program (I use Cakewalk)so CDs can be made from my cassettes. If the source tape is good the CD comes out fine. Anyway, the options are there and the Dead blessed us with a VERY liberal policy on distributing their music so we, as insatiable heads, should be as grateful and creative as we've always been. I know this is a tired topic but its important to me so thus the continued horse beating.